{"id":2216,"date":"2015-12-13T12:06:28","date_gmt":"2015-12-13T11:06:28","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.traveltelling.net\/?p=2216"},"modified":"2016-01-08T10:59:05","modified_gmt":"2016-01-08T09:59:05","slug":"interview-wout-world-traveler","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.traveltelling.net\/en\/interview-wout-world-traveler\/","title":{"rendered":"Always Abroad &#8211; Wout&#8217;s Story"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"lazyload alignleft wp-image-2272 size-medium\" title=\"Wout &amp; me in a park in Sydney \" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml,%3Csvg%20xmlns%3D%27http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2000%2Fsvg%27%20width%3D%27300%27%20height%3D%27241%27%20viewBox%3D%270%200%20300%20241%27%3E%3Crect%20width%3D%27300%27%20height%3D%27241%27%20fill-opacity%3D%220%22%2F%3E%3C%2Fsvg%3E\" data-orig-src=\"https:\/\/www.traveltelling.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/02\/wout-and-matthias1-300x241.jpg\" alt=\"wout and matthias in sydney\" width=\"300\" height=\"241\" data-id=\"2272\" \/>I admit, this interview is a bit long but it is totally worth reading!! Wout Neckermann, a world traveler and good friend of mine has traveled to a lot of places in his life. Back in 2012\u00a0Wout and me\u00a0studied Tourism Destination Management\u00a0at NHTV\u00a0in Breda, which is close to Amsterdam. We also spent 3 awesome months in Australia, Thailand and Indonesia working on a study project. Get inspired by what he has to tell&#8230;.<\/p>\n<h4 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #339966;\"><strong>1. Wout, you have lived in quite a number of countries. Tell us more about that. <\/strong><\/span><\/h4>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Well, for the biggest part of my childhood and adolescence, I was living in Southern Africa. My parents really enjoy road tripping, so I spent quite a lot of time discovering that beautiful part of the world with them and my siblings. My first ever trip without them was when I visited the family of my classmate and friend in Mauritius, together with him and his father, at the age of 12. When I came back to Belgium for my higher studies, the travel bug had bitten me and during my final bachelor year I spent some time in <strong>Latin America<\/strong> for an internship and backpacking. As you know, during our master course in TDM, we did a 3-month study trip in Southeast Asia, after which I decided to extend my ticket for some more backpacking, followed by a year of volunteering in Indonesia. Following this, I wanted to learn more about transversal governance so I enrolled in a second master course, for which I spent a research internship with the United Nations University in <strong>Japan<\/strong>. It was quite a shock for me, to be in Japan. The more I travel, the more I seem to realise how little I really know, and the more I want to keep learning.<\/p>\n<h4 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #339966;\"><strong>2. You have quite a huge travel map. What are your favourite countries to visit?<\/strong><\/span><\/h4>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">In total, I think I\u2019ve set foot in about 40 countries, spread over 4 continents (EU, Africa, Latin America and Asia)\u2026 But travel is about so much more than simply checking countries off a list! The two most important aspects that I look for in a tourism destination are people and nature. Thus, my favourite destinations so far have been my childhood home <strong>Zimbabwe<\/strong> (adventurous, stunningly beautiful and a Walhalla for lovers of arts &amp; crafts), <strong>Bosnia-Herzegovina<\/strong> (mountainous with an interesting convergence of Oriental and Occidental influences), <strong>Indonesia<\/strong> (idyllic paradise islands are the tip of the iceberg, with magical wonderlands hiding under the waves) and <strong>Bolivia<\/strong> (every traveller\u2019s dream, with the most diverse set of tourism assets I\u2019ve ever come across in a single country). I could keep going, but I have to keep it short, unfortunately&#8230;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"lazyload  wp-image-2233  alignleft\" title=\"Bolivia's Nature\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml,%3Csvg%20xmlns%3D%27http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2000%2Fsvg%27%20width%3D%27291%27%20height%3D%27218%27%20viewBox%3D%270%200%20291%20218%27%3E%3Crect%20width%3D%27291%27%20height%3D%27218%27%20fill-opacity%3D%220%22%2F%3E%3C%2Fsvg%3E\" data-orig-src=\"https:\/\/www.traveltelling.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/02\/wout9-300x225.jpg\" alt=\"Wout in Bolivia. Natural landscape\" width=\"291\" height=\"218\" data-id=\"2233\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"lazyload alignleft wp-image-2256\" title=\"A Tripe in Flores\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml,%3Csvg%20xmlns%3D%27http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2000%2Fsvg%27%20width%3D%27291%27%20height%3D%27218%27%20viewBox%3D%270%200%20291%20218%27%3E%3Crect%20width%3D%27291%27%20height%3D%27218%27%20fill-opacity%3D%220%22%2F%3E%3C%2Fsvg%3E\" data-orig-src=\"https:\/\/www.traveltelling.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/02\/wout15-300x225.jpg\" alt=\"Natural beauty. A Tripe in Flores\" width=\"291\" height=\"218\" data-id=\"2256\" \/><\/p>\n<h4 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #339966;\"><strong>3.<\/strong>\u00a0<strong>Which have been your most meaningful experiences?<\/strong><\/span><\/h4>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">My most memorable experience was a day stroll across the Myanmar border from Thailand, into <strong>Myawadi<\/strong>. We stumbled upon this \u2018Crocodile Temple\u2019, where a ceremony took place because a family was handing over their son to serve as a Buddhist monk. Our small group was invited to have lunch with them. There were some children hanging around the temple, and I took some photos with them. You should have seen the delight in their eyes upon seeing themselves on the camera screen! The people on the Myanmar side are much poorer, yet somehow they all seemed genuinely <strong>happier\u00a0<\/strong> than their Thai counterparts. The pure and happy character of these beautiful people in this innocent magical place where money didn\u2019t seem an issue left a great impact on me.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"lazyload alignleft wp-image-2281 size-medium\" title=\"Children in Myawadi\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml,%3Csvg%20xmlns%3D%27http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2000%2Fsvg%27%20width%3D%27300%27%20height%3D%27225%27%20viewBox%3D%270%200%20300%20225%27%3E%3Crect%20width%3D%27300%27%20height%3D%27225%27%20fill-opacity%3D%220%22%2F%3E%3C%2Fsvg%3E\" data-orig-src=\"https:\/\/www.traveltelling.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/02\/wout-kids-300x225.jpg\" alt=\"wout and kids\" width=\"300\" height=\"225\" data-id=\"2281\" \/><\/p>\n<p>My most important shift in focus took place when I was living in Indonesia for a year, where I worked for a bilateral cooperation project between the Indonesian government and the (Swiss) SECO. The project aimed to empower the people of Flores Island through a sustainable tourism destination management programme. I had always been into the natural conservation aspect of sustainability, but now I really got to understand the importance of social sustainability, and accountability, when speaking in terms of (tourism, or simply economic) \u2018development\u2019. So it came to be that my career focus changed to development cooperation. Come to think of it, isn\u2019t this sector the peak of \u2018responsible tourism\u2019? I am happy that the outcomes of my new career choices will have impacts beyond simply increasing corporate profits.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Next month I will start working for the Belgian Development Agency, as M&amp;E in a project to support the health sector of Northern B\u00e9nin. I\u2019m quite sure that I will have more to tell after these 2 years to come!<\/p>\n<h4 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #339966;\"><strong>4. How important is sustainable tourism and responsible traveling for you?<\/strong><\/span><\/h4>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Well, it has been a developing trend over the past few decades, hasn\u2019t it? I too am a supporter of the PPP-tripod, the principle that considers People, Planet and Profit when developing and managing a tourism destination and\/or tourism products. I am not ignorant of \u2018green tourism\u2019 and all those other labels being used as marketing tools, but I believe in the essence that benefits should be <a title=\"What is sustainable tourism &amp; why is it important?\" href=\"https:\/\/www.traveltelling.net\/sustainable-tourism\/\">divided among all stakeholders<\/a>, i.e. companies and investors, local populations, and environmental protection.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Beyond sharing in the benefits, local inhabitants and the natural environment also need to be protected from the negative consequences that irresponsible tourism practices can bring about, through careful planning by authorities on all levels as well as by tourism development contractors and agencies. Furthermore, tourists should be <strong>sensitised<\/strong> on topics of critical importance. This is not just a matter of ethics, but also one of viability: if a destination\u2019s carrying capacity is surpassed, it will become less attractive and eventually decline in quality (and income per tourist). Furthermore, in order to keep up with the competitive industry, a sustainable tourism destination or product needs to have a profitable business model that will allow it to continually reinvest in rejuvenation projects so that it can remain competitive vis-\u00e0-vis others.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"lazyload alignright wp-image-2257 size-medium\" title=\"Wout, an aware traveler\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml,%3Csvg%20xmlns%3D%27http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2000%2Fsvg%27%20width%3D%27300%27%20height%3D%27226%27%20viewBox%3D%270%200%20300%20226%27%3E%3Crect%20width%3D%27300%27%20height%3D%27226%27%20fill-opacity%3D%220%22%2F%3E%3C%2Fsvg%3E\" data-orig-src=\"https:\/\/www.traveltelling.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/02\/wout16-300x226.jpg\" alt=\"wout16\" width=\"300\" height=\"226\" data-id=\"2257\" \/>I personally like to think of myself as an <a title=\"Are you a responsible traveler?\" href=\"https:\/\/www.traveltelling.net\/responsible-traveler\/\"><strong>aware traveller<\/strong><\/a>. Especially on the cultural front, I am doing pretty well with this. When visiting another country, I try to keep my own culture to myself whilst learning as much as I can about local norms and values, and I do my best to abide by these. Unfortunately, I have also visited a tiger temple whilst I was in Thailand. I now know that it is a cruel business; and I hope people are becoming more aware of such things. Furthermore, I am quite a disaster for our planet\u2019s atmosphere, considering the carbon emissions from my flight history\u2026<\/p>\n<h4 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #339966;\"><strong>5.\u00a0You are quite an achiever and inspiring person at the same time. Tell us what is your philosophy of life and which impact you want to make in this world?<\/strong><\/span><\/h4>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Haha, thank you! My philosophy of life? Ouf, a deep question\u2026<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">I think our personalities evolve over time, and the things from our past that we are now reflexive about tend to become traits that define our character. I like to see myself as a humanist; I believe in the <strong>good of people<\/strong>, regardless of what first impressions they give. I am a third culture kid, which technically means that I have no \u2018defined culture\u2019. But everybody has their personal \u2018culture\u2019. I hope that by treating those I interact with in a respectful manner, I can learn to appreciate these differences. I guess that this humanism extends into my travel philosophy, which is a constant learning process.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"lazyload alignleft wp-image-2258 size-medium\" title=\"Inspiration through people and nature\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml,%3Csvg%20xmlns%3D%27http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2000%2Fsvg%27%20width%3D%27300%27%20height%3D%27239%27%20viewBox%3D%270%200%20300%20239%27%3E%3Crect%20width%3D%27300%27%20height%3D%27239%27%20fill-opacity%3D%220%22%2F%3E%3C%2Fsvg%3E\" data-orig-src=\"https:\/\/www.traveltelling.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/02\/wout17-300x239.jpg\" alt=\"wout17\" width=\"300\" height=\"239\" data-id=\"2258\" \/>I\u2019m also somewhat of a <strong>tree hugger<\/strong>: I have a lot of love for everything to do with Nature. The existence of Life is such an amazing thing, don\u2019t you think? I really feel that we should get back to the basics of appreciating Life in all its forms, and put the stress of career and money aside sometimes. I would love to \u2018rewild\u2019 myself, but disconnecting from \u2018the System\u2019 is very tough; all our consumer goods are produced by corporations who have little or no respect for natural and human welfare. That is why travel is good for us. I am trying to be the change that I want to see, by combining travel with a little bit of my <strong>own impact<\/strong>. I am hoping to make somewhat of a career in development cooperation; at least I can give something back in return for a travel experience that is more than just a mere stamp in my passport.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><em>Matthias: Thanks so much for inspiring us, Wout! I wish you all the best for your future projects and travels and look forward to see you again. In case you got interested, check out his\u00a0Master Thesis:\u00a0<a title=\"Wout's Thesis \" href=\"http:\/\/www.tourism-master.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/Neckermann-Wout-TDM-Dissertation.pdf\" rel=\"nofollow\">Sustainable Development of a Tourism Destination: Realism or Idealism?<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.traveltelling.net\/en\/interview-wout-world-traveler\/\"> Read more<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":4,"featured_media":2278,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[132],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-2216","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-encounters"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.0 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Interview with Wout Neckermann - A Serious World Traveler<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Wout Neckermann, a world traveler and good friend of mine has traveled to around 40 countries. 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